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[howam00]

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Originally Posted by jriosa

Not wanting to rain on the diesel lover parade, but I see absolutely NO incentive for Ford to go to diesel with its' current push on ecoboost. The numbers just don't add up. Looking at the current NA offering (and what is proposed for the '11 F150) you have a v6 with 340 horsepower and 340 pound-feet of torque - which puts it in the 5.4l Triton territory - and mileage jumps from 14/18 to 18/25 mpg. Now they have announced the 2.0l ecobo0st for the Edge - and this is going to be 230 hp and 240 ft/lb torque (and a bloody broad torque curve at that) - which puts it at the same torque as the 2.2 mHawk with higher horsepower. Estimates for the edge are around 29-32 mpg hwy. I would suspect it could do as well in a new ranger.

Given ford can offer these engines for 3k less than a diesel, and diesel fuel still costs higher, and they could run these engines cross platforms, I really don't see the numbers that would entice Ford to switch direction to a small diesel option.

Jim

Agreed, Ford has a vested interest in Eco-Boost here in the US and I doubt that is going to change any time soon. What will be telling is the MPG under load, say from a small business hauling and towing things daily. If the mileage can stay high then why spend the extra money on a diesel.

Lets just hope there is some positive news for a new line of Ranger pickups with updated powertrains. If not we may have to wait for someone like Hyundai/Kia to develop a smaller truck. Their version of the Eco-boost 2.0 has 274 HP and 269 lbs of torque with an equally broad curve. That engine would be killer in a smaller truck, heck that would be good as a base engine in a 1/2 ton.

[pee wee]

Ford has been impressive with the things they've been able to come out with lately, and if I could get my hands on a Ranger with the 2.5l ecoboost, or even the 2.0l, I'd run to my local dealer and snap one up. If it comes down to Mahindra trucks arriving just a few months before the new Rangers show up, I think I'd probably wait to see the Fords. I'd really like it if they still offered the standard cab with the 7 foot bed. I don't really want to undermine the strength of the domestic auto manufacturers by buying an Indian vehicle, but I'd like what I consider a reasonable alternative in a compact pickup truck, and the global Ranger sounds like it may be the first thing to compete with the Mahindra offering, assuming they (either or both) come here.

[howam00]

The Ranger needs to have a true 4 door and a longer bed on the regular cab t obe competitive. They also need to offer 4x4 and the upgraded engines across any particular model. You can't buy a regular cab Ranger in anything but 2x4 and the tiny four banger.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by howam00

The Ranger needs to have a true 4 door and a longer bed on the regular cab t obe competitive. They also need to offer 4x4 and the upgraded engines across any particular model. You can't buy a regular cab Ranger in anything but 2x4 and the tiny four banger.

They have that,

Its called an F150

[howam00]

Originally Posted by Forest

They have that,

Its called an F150

yeah and only for $30 something thousand

[DickIsGone]

"yeah and only for $30 something thousand"

Naww... They're whoring XLT crewcabs out around the D/FW area for 8-10 grand off sticker right now. You can pick up a nice one around 24K.

[hsfbfan]

Originally Posted by howam00

Their version of the Eco-boost 2.0 has 274 HP and 269 lbs of torque with an equally broad curve. That engine would be killer in a smaller truck, heck that would be good as a base engine in a 1/2 ton.

And that is why Ford is discontinuing the Ranger. I think you will see a 4 cyl ecoboost in regular cab f 150's for work trucks or commuters looking for good mileage.

[howam00]

lets hope that under load these still produce decent mileage or its goign to flop for light commercial use.