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[Andy]

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Originally Posted by Bugman

These new 40-50- grand eco-boosts seem to be flying off the Ford lots. A few weeks ago there were around 20 on the local lots and now there are none . Just a few 3.7's and 5.0's .. I'll have to wait for the next shipment to drive one .

I'll have to check these out. Everyone is talking about them. How do you pay off $40-$50k before you need a new one?

[Bugman]

Originally Posted by Andy

I'll have to check these out. Everyone is talking about them. How do you pay off $40-$50k before you need a new one?

You would have to have money to burn. I work out of my truck so it would have to get 40 MPG to justify that price.

[ToxicSludge]

On another automotive forum that I belong to came a first report of a eco-boost owner with around 1100 miles had to have both turbos replaced.

[pee wee]

That's what I worried about with those things- any time you're trying to squeeze more from less, it's gotta be problematic. I heard they designed them with extra robustness to be durable, but it is a new design and that's not the time to buy a vehicle in my book. Let them do a redesign, then fix the bugs in that engine and then maybe it's time to pick one up, unless they still are going for 40 to 50k.

[Andy]

unless they still are going for 40 to 50k

Maybe we could do a group buy and get them down to $12k?

[howam00]

Originally Posted by Andy

Maybe we could do a group buy and get them down to $12k?

only is four people share the ownership of one truck

[howam00]

Originally Posted by pee wee

That's what I worried about with those things- any time you're trying to squeeze more from less, it's gotta be problematic. I heard they designed them with extra robustness to be durable, but it is a new design and that's not the time to buy a vehicle in my book. Let them do a redesign, then fix the bugs in that engine and then maybe it's time to pick one up, unless they still are going for 40 to 50k.

keep in mind that Ford has had this type of motor around for a couple of years, it isn't all new. they know what needed to be done. No one complains about having a turbo on their diesel now do they!?

I think Ford is on the right track the the ecoboost concept. It is essenaitlly displacement on demand. I just think the truck is ****ty and needs to be overhauled (yes I know its capable but it is still a fat pig with the aerodynaics of a brick)

a 3.0 ecoboost with 390 hp and 390 lbs of torque or 375/375 is plenty especially given the torque curve. It just needs to be in a truck that weighs 700 lbs less.

something tells me the BIG changes wont be seen until 2014/2015 when the new CAFE numbers come into effect. Unless I can find a good truck on the used market very cheap I'll just wait. I hope the bad economy and high fuel prices coax a little more trucks on the used market and driving the price down.

[howam00]

I know I rant on this a lot but Ford seems to drag their feet on making meaningful changes because the US buyer will still purchase the truck no matter what.

[blue7.3]

Originally Posted by howam00

I know I rant on this a lot but Ford seems to drag their feet on making meaningful changes because the US buyer will still purchase the truck no matter what.

Ford just put 5 new engines into their trucks, two in their Mustang, and one in the Taurus. Both F series truck's styling has been recently updated. The Fusion was new for 2010 and they have a hybrid better than the Camry. The Fiesta and Focus are also new. They're dragging their feet?

[howam00]

Originally Posted by blue7.3

Ford just put 5 new engines into their trucks, two in their Mustang, and one in the Taurus. Both F series truck's styling has been recently updated. The Fusion was new for 2010 and they have a hybrid better than the Camry. The Fiesta and Focus are also new. They're dragging their feet?

the trucks and fusion are a mild exterior sheetmetal refresh, no or minimachanges to the under pinnings. Same thing with the focus and fiesta, we just now get the euro version.

the new motors are nice but that is only about 1/3rd of the equation. I do appreciate the efforts but they have the capability to do more and that is what I expect. None of the other automakers are really doing anything different and I think that is where the frusteration is. Only Hyundai/Kia seem to be moving forward with all new, ground up designs to make improvements over the last couple of years. I know that won't continue into forever but they seem to understand what it is going to take to move by leaps and bounds and they are actually doing it.

I have no doubt Ford will step up but I don't like waiting 4-5 years for each 1/3rd of the equation to show up.